Ravi Zacharias at the Univeristy of Michigan

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Video Description: In February 2003, Ravi's visit to the University of Michigan, one of the five largest universities in the United States, proved to be ... all » historic both for the university and for RZIM. For two nights, a standing-room only audience was captured as Ravi spoke and then followed with a 40-minute Q &A session. At the close of the second night, students and professors, who packed the auditorium, erupted into standing applause

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in that kind of ... ( 4 months ago by wpurgason)

in that kind of world, saying 'i like killing innocent babies' would be analogous to 'i like apples.' On the other hand, objective moral values are valid whether anyone believes in them or not - they are true Monday, Tuesday etc. To make this clear, the holocost was wrong, even though the Nazi's believed they were right.
In short, it becomes suicide to try to truly live out the belief that truth is a matter of taste.
So now we come to a paradox - "If everything is true, than nothing is true."

One gets into shaky ... ( 4 months ago by MicheasTheMighty)

One gets into shaky ground debating objectivity. Although as an atheist I do believe in objectivity, I feel a better working title for morals as such would be their practicalness. With such notions you get into Game Theory, the origins of society being modeled on the family, and the Objectivist ethics of Ayn Rand. Her works and those of her colleagues provide a framework of objective morality without invoking the supernatural. With individualistic ethics, it is superfluous to do so.

In the field of ... ( 4 months ago by MicheasTheMighty)

In the field of ethics, if you use the ego as a starting-point and go from there you will realize that man can reach his fullest moral potential on earth. Understanding man is a sovereign fortress unto himself, and no man has the right to initiate the use of force on you, nor do you possess the right to do likewise is what's been amiss for so long. Between atheists and theists, it has always been a concept of morality based on sacrifice. Of course religionists will win that debate every time.

The theist will ... ( 4 months ago by MicheasTheMighty)

The theist will always corner the atheist into conceding morality is relative in such a debate. of self-sacrifice. Questions will invariably rise on the side of theism such as "But without God why is it good to help others?" The atheist, stupefied, will resort to vague appeals to society only functioning that way. Or, another less feeble rationale being the reciprocation principle. "If I help them today maybe they'll help me tomorrow." Or "I tip waitresses because it makes me FEEL good."

Sounds like you ... ( 4 months ago by cinemastorm)

Sounds like you didn't listen to him speak. How then can you say what he believes without knowing?

He says there is NO ... ( 4 months ago by cube11235)

He says there is NO way an atheist can logically defend why one ought to live a non theistic moral life. His rationale, along with all theists, is that one ought to live a theistic moral life because it says it is moral. It's a bare assertion fallacy.

No, it is an ... ( 3 months ago by coachtaskmaster)

No, it is an assertion that an objective, absolute moral reality exists. Atheism MUST reject this notion. Thus, you have a myriad of humanistic moralities, and ironically, they are all incompatible with each other.

Ayn Rand also ... ( 3 months ago by coachtaskmaster)

Ayn Rand also couldn't see beyond her own selfish needs. Strangely, she could not deal with the "unfairness" of her student lovers eventual infidelity, while all those many years her own husband was expected to tolerate her affair. Objectivism is a failed notion my friend. It is considered a cult by the even the majority of rationalists. That is a fact.

Prove that they are ... ( 3 months ago by cube11235)

Prove that they are incompatible with each other.

I don't have to ... ( 3 months ago by coachtaskmaster)

I don't have to prove it. It's been done. Try reading up on the ethical egoism (Objectivism - Ayn Rand), virtue ethics, Kantian ethics, and social contract theory just for starters. You'll find that they inevitably collide with one another on fundamental issues. Ethics based on love as a supreme objective cannot exist alongside Objectivism, where the ego ("self", and self-interest, personal happiness, etc.) rules. That's just one example. It goes on and on. Hence: ethical relativism.

Array ( 3 months ago by talitha00cumi)

Ravi!
Always 5 stars =D

he's great! ( 2 months ago by maria20078)

he's great!

If the issue is ... ( 2 months ago by WolfusAndronicus)

If the issue is whether "absolute 'oughtness' " is required, then you're simply begging the question against those - such as myself - who aren't already persuaded of ethical absolutism. If that's the only motivation toward theism in ethics, then I'm unimpressed. Absolutism is only one of large set of alternatives on the ethical spectrum. Wishing for "absolute 'oughtness' " isn't the same as providing a good argument in its favour - let alone compelling evidence.

Right. That's a ... ( 2 months ago by WolfusAndronicus)

Right. That's a pretty story, and only half-evades Plato's Dilemma on the condition that there *is* such an entity who *actually instantiates such properties* - so, again, I'm not impressed. Anyone could invent an entity that definitionally satisfies any condition whatsoever: anything, given the right caveats, can be made logically compatible with anything else. Big deal. I don't care what the "Judeo-Christian worldview" is. I care about whether there are good reasons - if any - to believe it.

"Imagine a world ... ( 2 months ago by WolfusAndronicus)

"Imagine a world where nothing is absolutely wrong and there is really no such thing as evil - only preferences. Humans are just a bunch of atoms & molecules. That's what atheism offers."
I'm not an atheist. This is the main strategic move made by almost every stridently religious person I ever encounter: criticize any one of their cherished "beliefs", and they label you an "atheist". Much worse, they misconstrue atheism altogether. [...]

Atheism is simply ... ( 2 months ago by WolfusAndronicus)

Atheism is simply non-theism: it is not a confident certainty there is no God; it is disbelief in God. That's it. It says nothing about the structure of the universe, the origins of life, or the nature of morality. Atheism doesn't "offer" anything at all: it simply witholds assent on question on God. Sure, particular *atheists* happen to have views on lots of subjects (and yeah, many of them are ridiculous), but that says nothing about atheism itself. [...]

Please be more ... ( 2 months ago by WolfusAndronicus)

Please be more responsible. Keep "atheism" separate from *criticism of religious belief* - they are by no means equivalent, and quite frankly, I'm getting tired of having to point it out so often.
Oh, and one more thing re: your response to Plato's Dilemma... If "the reason God deems [X is moral] is because it is linked to His own character of purity and holiness", then you're admitting that goodness is independent of God: God has the property of goodness, but isn't identical with it. [...]

His "character" (or ... ( 2 months ago by WolfusAndronicus)

His "character" (or whatever) *instantiates* or *exemplifies* goodness, but is not identical with it. Your view only makes sense, that is, if God's character is a reflection of goodness. In which case you're back to one of the horns of the original dilemma. In any case, there's still the major problem of having any good evidence to think that *that* is the case.

Ravi is a what i ... ( 1 month ago by aa3gunner)

Ravi is a what i call a true Christian warrior. The guy is just brilliant. He's proof that "the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom."

"Atheism is simply ... ( 1 month ago by imanoutkast)

"Atheism is simply non-theism: it is not a confident certainty there is no God; it is disbelief in God."
These are word games and attempt to soften the position that atheism MUST hold. If it is not confident certainty, then it is agnosticism--which is a lazy form of atheism. It forces its followers to rely on reason and science to explain all of existence. Atheism MUST filter down through all aspects of one's worldview or there will be many contradictions in that belief system.

any belief that is ... ( 1 month ago by jncarlos007)

any belief that is an encompassing worldview must offer an explanation of the things you claim that atheism does not offer explanations to or it is not a worldview, and despite what you say, atheism is a worldview.

besides, you seem ... ( 1 month ago by jncarlos007)

besides, you seem to argue the point far more than someone who holds the view that their system "simply witholds assent on question on God". How can you make any logical arguments on a subject about which you have no opinion or beliefs?

does a cherry pie ... ( 1 month ago by jncarlos007)

does a cherry pie have the qualities of cherryness, or is it a completely separate entity?

wow this guy rocks ( 1 month ago by dezyslobster)

wow this guy rocks

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